What really happens when you meditate for many years & become non-dual?

I watched this video recently (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROXqfjbIO-o) where Gary Weber and others talk about being non dual. For a video that calls itself 'the hard questions' it seems like it skirted an awful lot of practical questions. Lisa Cairns especially seems to say almost nothing.

I get that there are amazing mystical experiences that are possible including completely losing your sense of self, becoming one with everything. But these experiences can't persist beyond a short period of time. If you literally don't have a concept of 'I', as they claim, how do 'you' address an audience, recognise yourself on a passport and get yourself to the airport to attend a conference. I see that there are also great benefits from being calmer, letting your mind be quieter than usual, being more detached from emotion and experience coming and going. But still being a normal human being with negative emotions, getting angry or upset every so often, just less so.

Specifically I wonder about this non dual state

* is it present all the time? how do you do normal things without the concept of self?

* is there a gradual process of the ego/I dying down until it's no longer there?

* what is the role of thinking about 'I' and the self – obviously its not gone but how does one to relate to it?

Attaining Altered State of Consciousness

First I'd like to add that this is not about criticizing people who have a goal of attaining an altered state of consciousness. That is technically a doctrine, a belief, that you cannot meditate with a goal to attain an altered state of consciousness. In fact even in the new field of neurotheology, the brain science, behind altered states/meditation/prayer/etc… "readiness" for a spiritual experience or altered state is considered an addition to and NOT a hindrance to attaining an altered state…even on the brain level. So without further ado, please allow toleration of people who have a goal of attaining an altered state of consciousness.


Skillful Motivations

-When thought about properly, the goal to attain an altered state of consciousness can serve as a very useful and efficient motivation to meditate regularly.

-When urges to habitually spend time finding external sensory pleasures arise, reminding oneself that through practice and patience, one can find a superior form of bliss that does not arise from fleeting sensory pleasures, then it can be easier to mentally renunciate those pleasures and instead look for stimulation in the form of sharpening meditation practice

-Now what would be an unskillful use of motivation? Interrupting your concentration while meditating to be like "am I there yet?" "am I there yet?". An ability to reach an altered state of consciousness takes plenty of time, practice, and patience.

Focus at the Nostrils

Sharply focus your attention at the sensation of the breath flowing in and out at the tip of the nostrils. Don't follow your entire breathing, simply concentrate at the tip of the nostrils the sensation. Over plenty of time and practice, it will get easier to move past discursive thoughts and remain meditating for longer periods of time

Some describe the experience as alertness without thought, as concentrated calm.

Trane of No-Thought: How Meditation Inspired Jazz Great John Coltrane


“There is never any end. There are always new sounds to imagine: new feelings to get at. And always, there is a need to keep purifying these feelings and sounds so that we can really see what we’ve discovered in its pure state. So that we can see more clearly what we are. In that way, we can give to those who listen, the essence—the best of what we are. But to do that at each stage, we have to keep on cleaning the mirror.”

Are you trying to attain some psychological or spiritual award through meditation? Does it keep you from opening your mind to true awareness? (A great speech by Krishnamurti on questioning your motives for meditation.)


"The mind is always chattering, always pursuing one thought or another, one set of sensory responses after another set of responses. In order to stop that chattering you try to learn concentration, forcing the mind to stop chattering and so the conflict begins again. This is what you are doing; chattering, chattering, talking endlessly about nothing. Now, if you want to observe something, a tree, a flower, the lines of the mountains, you have to look, you have to be quiet. But you are not interested in the mountains, or the beauty of the hills and the valleys and the waters; you want to get somewhere, achieve something, spiritually."

What can I make of this experience?

After meditating for a few months I realized I had become able to connect more to others and know how they were feeling.

I was walking my dog at night one night around a golf course path, when we heard large cat footsteps in the woods to our left. I got nervous for my dog and felt that I should reach out and try to connect to the cat. So I did. What I got in return after sending it love, was a motherly love. At the time I was somehow able to intuitively distinguish a difference. After this I felt safe enough to keep walking with my small dog.

After a short while I get this thought in my head that "Another big cat is going to be up ahead in your path." It was as like i was being warned. So I stopped and realized that it was not only going to be a big cat but it was her son. The incoming thought told me the location up ahead and everything.

Long story short, when we get there we hear footsteps in the woods again. It is the exact place she told me the other cat would be. I connect to this cat like I did previously, and start with sending love. Then I just feel the most anxious/nervous energy coming from him. So I decided we should take the short way back home and avoid him all together.

This was one of many other unexplained experiences that I started having after meditating daily for a few months.

Is telepathy real? I know the government has done research on this stuff, but telepathy with animals?

Meditation to relieve chronic pain?

The past few months I have been dealing with chronic pain. I’ve had some success managing it with meditation but I am still relatively new to meditation. Can anyone share any success stories they have with managing chronic pain through meditation?

The 5 most efficient types of meditations I’ve found and their utility. Please correct me if I’m wrong

Hi guys, I've been meditated for 3 years one hour a day and experimenting with different types of meditations. I want top experimented meditators to tell me what they think so I can focus on the one or two most efficient.

Here is my top 5 most efficient meditations and the effect I understood they have.

1 – mindfulness. I just looked around for hundreds of hours. I see my thoughts, emotions, muscle tensions, and sometimes my "consciousness" comes behind my eyes. Sometimes one or two of my shakra open I spend a lot of time doing it. It cleans my tensions but relatively slowly. 100ds of hours for slow results.

2 – compassion Buddhist teachers often insist that compassion, especially phakyab Rinpoche whom I like cause he made a miracle cure verified by science. So I tried to focus on the idea that I really wanted to help all sensitive beings, it creates a warmth in my chest, and if I focus on it or kind of push it out goes to the entire body and seem to unlock stuff around like emotions and physical tensions

3 – Isha criya by sadhguru He recommends to do it every day and that it has great efficiency, yet I haven't been able to push myself to do it for more than a week in a row https://youtu.be/KxgD9En6Vso What do you think

4 – nadhi shudhi, cleansing of the energies It's supposed to stabilize the mind. It doesn't take much time A friend from India recommended to do this. Here's an exemple :https://youtu.be/817fiBUDChg

5 – visualization. The idea is to reprogram your subconscious within a relatively meditative state using visualization. Modern science has proved it works. Sadhguru also recommends it through one guided medit online he calls success meditation Dr Joe dispenza s entire program s and research s also based on that principle

Basically they're all pretty cool but there's only so many hours in a day and I don't want to bumble on following old habits without having a en idea of what way could help me best

If you're new to these, don't hesitate to try them all out and tell me what you think

Looking forward to reading you'll 🙂